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Willtell
7:45 Wed Dec 23
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To be fair Infidel we are not "losing half our industrial base" just "because climate change policies have made it uneconomic to operate in the UK."
There are many other reasons we are no longer competitive to manufacture in UK. High taxes, long holidays, high pensions, high medical, high education, high military costs etc all contribute to making our economy uncompetitive.
I saw a new Triumph motorcycle just recently announced that looks drop dead gorgeous because it is styled on the 1960/70's Triumphs that were master pieces of design. About £10,000 for a 1200cc twin cylinder modern Bonneville. Made in Coventry? Nah mate - Thailand....
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:45 Wed Dec 23
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I think you should resort to name-calling if you can't argue your point, mate.
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AfM
7:35 Wed Dec 23
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Climate deniers trying to denounce Nature.
I've seen it all now.
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Infidel
7:33 Wed Dec 23
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It's a waste of time with AfM.
Any piece of research that backs his opinions is SCIENCE.
Any that don't are biased, lies or spin.
He lives in his own little world.
Meanwhile the US has lowered its energy costs by 80%, eliminated its dependency on volatile middle east states and is now enjoying the repatriation to America of huge energy intensive industries that now find it cheaper to operate in the US than anywhere else.
All thanks to fracking,which has been an absolute game changer in the American economy.
Yet because of cretins like AfM we continue to dither over fracking, our energy costs are through the roof and we are losing half our industrial base because climate change policies have made it uneconomic to operate in the UK.
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Willtell
7:29 Wed Dec 23
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Hi Surface - I thought you'd died and gone to ....well a better place. I just thought I'd keep AfM on his toes but while you've been away several posters have cottoned on to the fact that 4 degrees AfM is a total fraud and liar.
Strange that he doesn't ever produce any scientific evidence. Just hear say from unreliable sources. I mean I have no love for fracking but AfM doesn't either so it is fun just putting his biased and unscientific statements to ridicule....
Feel free to pick up the baton now you're back...
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Willtell
7:17 Wed Dec 23
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These are the titles of the articles in Nature when you search 'Fracking'. Not one implies an even, balanced, scientific study - they are all negative. Strange that there is not one in favour of Fracking for it to be a scientific piece of research. But then it isn't is it AfM? It's all about NATURE taking a negative stance against Fracking which is seen as anti-NATURE....
Showing 1–25 of 72 results
14 September 2011
Natural gas: Should fracking stop?
...fracturing' (also known as 'fracking'), in which high-... ...than 2 kilometres (see 'Fracking for fuel'). Industry...
Robert W. Howarth, Anthony Ingraffea & Terry Engelder
Nature 477, 271–275
29 May 2012
Fracking boom spurs environmental audit
...by hydraulic fracturing, or ‘fracking’, would seem to be... ...an impact on human health. Fracking uses high-pressure fluids to... ...wells in Ohio that use fracking set to mushroom from 77...
Helen Thompson
16 December 2015
Books in brief
...that vast geological-engineering experiment, fracking. It centres on Canadian... ...water, fingered the culprit as fracking and launched a legal battle... ...is a deft history of fracking from the 1850s (when...
Barbara Kiser
12 May 2011
United States investigates fracking safety
..., hydraulic fracturing, or 'fracking', was thrown into the...
Nicola Jones
04 October 2012
Is fracking behind contamination in Wyoming groundwater?
Questions about whether hydraulic ‘fracking’ is to blame remain...
Jeff Tollefson
09 May 2011
Methane threat to drinking water
...practice called hydraulic fracturing, or fracking — has become economically viable... ...in Pennsylvania alone, approvals for fracking permits increased 27-fold between...
Sid Perkins
09 December 2011
Method predicts size of fracking earthquakes
...of hydraulic fracturing, or 'fracking', a procedure in which...
Zoë Corbyn
03 December 2014
The uncertain dash for gas
...have made huge investments in fracking, but forecasts of production...
03 December 2014
Geology: Europe feels fracking shakes
'Fracking' involves injecting a mixture...
09 April 2014
Energy: The new oil era
...relishes a lively history of fracking that delves into the complexities...
Chris Nelder
11 September 2013
Secrets of fracking fluids pave way for cleaner recipe
...reactions that occur when these ‘fracking’ fluids are injected deep...
Jeff Tollefson
07 February 2012
Air sampling reveals high emissions from gas field
...as hydraulic fracturing, or ‘fracking’, that can crack open... US government is enthusiastic about fracking. In his State of...
Jeff Tollefson
03 June 2015
Seismology: Improve oversight of fracking in China
...and tighter monitoring of its fracking industry to curb seismic activity...
Hong Yang, Julian R. Thompson & Roger J. Flower
04 July 2014
Wastewater pumping ups Oklahoma's seismic activity
...injections at oil-drilling and fracking wells.
Kevin Schultz
25 March 2015
Seven days: 20–26 March 2015
...reserve; US sets rules on fracking; and the head of...
16 September 2013
Study revises estimate of methane leaks from US gas fields
...are minimal during removal of fracking fluids but increase once gas...
Richard A. Lovett
01 August 2012
Unfortunate oversight
Hydraulic fracturing, or 'fracking', a technology that revolutionized... ...that is actively involved in fracking.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:15 Wed Dec 23
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Schekman clearly implies that Nature encourages controversial findings on sensational matters. In encouraging such research, where a desired result can be pre-discerned, Nature throws all claims to being a reputable journal out of the window.
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AfM
7:03 Wed Dec 23
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Wiltell, if you still can;t see the difference between what Sheckman said and your idiotic "it's clearly biased against fracking" then you simply are not worth bothering with.
You are, and always be, wrong until you grasp that.
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Willtell
6:51 Wed Dec 23
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So quoting Nature's subscription selling self-promotion makes a difference does it? Not to me and not to a Nobel Prize winner in 2013...
"Randy Schekman, a US biologist who won the Nobel prize in physiology or medicine this year and receives his prize in Stockholm on Tuesday, said his lab would no longer send research papers to the top-tier journals, Nature, Cell and Science.
Schekman said pressure to publish in "luxury" journals encouraged researchers to cut corners and pursue trendy fields of science instead of doing more important work. The problem was exacerbated, he said, by editors who were not active scientists but professionals who favoured studies that were likely to make a splash."
Fracking or being anti, is exactly the kind of "trendy" science that an editor would love to make a "splash" about being a journalist and not a scientist wouldn't you say...? No surprise that NATURE is dubious about the chemicals used in fracking a mile underground then...
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AfM
6:40 Wed Dec 23
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Citations and Impact Factor
Nature is the world's most highly cited interdisciplinary science journal, according to the 2013 Journal Citation Reports Science Edition (Thomson Reuters, 2014). Its Impact Factor is 42.351. The impact factor of a journal is calculated by dividing the number of citations in a calendar year to the source items published in that journal during the previous two years. It is an independent measure calculated by Thomson Reuters, Philadelphia, USA.
Aims and scope
Nature is a weekly international journal publishing the finest peer-reviewed research in all fields of science and technology on the basis of its originality, importance, interdisciplinary interest, timeliness, accessibility, elegance and surprising conclusions. Nature also provides rapid, authoritative, insightful and arresting news and interpretation of topical and coming trends affecting science, scientists and the wider public.
Nature's mission statement
First, to serve scientists through prompt publication of significant advances in any branch of science, and to provide a forum for the reporting and discussion of news and issues concerning science. Second, to ensure that the results of science are rapidly disseminated to the public throughout the world, in a fashion that conveys their significance for knowledge, culture and daily life.
http://www.nature.com/nature/about/
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Willtell
6:33 Wed Dec 23
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No I won't excuse you. Nature journal is a separate issue. It should be obvious to anyone that Nature journal is unlikely to support anything unnatural like Fracking. Common sense really.
You stated that the government lied over culling of badgers yet I cannot find evidence they lied and you cannot produce any either so I shall take that as confirmation that you're a fraud and charlatan. Mountebank even...
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AfM
3:50 Wed Dec 23
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Wiltell, you don't accept the Nature journal as evidence.
You'll excuse me if I don't bother to provide any more for you
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Willtell
3:36 Wed Dec 23
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AfM 2:58 Wed Dec 23
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"You're right. I should have said the government did something worse than or equal to lying. Effectively, they lied."
Well now we'll never know until you put up something called evidence AfM. Something that is scarce in your posts. Anecdotes abound so you must be a shit scientist as well as a shit communicator.
What's your job that you need 4 degrees for. Oh yes Science Communicator isn't it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....
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AfM
3:06 Wed Dec 23
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Not very good ad hominems, Crassus.
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Crassus
3:05 Wed Dec 23
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'Or, in other words, I was possibly mistaken'
As in O Levels are not degrees?
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AfM
3:02 Wed Dec 23
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Or, in other words, I was possibly mistaken. They might have stated it but they certainly did something worse than or equal to lying about it and spun it.
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Crassus
3:00 Wed Dec 23
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AfM 2:58 Wed Dec 23
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'You're right. I should have said'
For a bloke who earns most of his money, I think you said, communicating, your ability to do so on here is questionable dont you think
Must be about the fifth time you have said that
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AfM
2:58 Wed Dec 23
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You're right. I should have said the government did something worse than or equal to lying. Effectively, they lied.
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Willtell
2:45 Wed Dec 23
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I was going to reply to AfM but you said it for me Johnson.
AfM is lying once again. Then he won't admit he lied so makes up insults while carrying on digging... Hopefully there's no internet down that hole...
F*cking shit scientific communicator to lie and then call it spin so that he can relate spin to lies. Very scientific that is but we all know he's a charlatan shelf filler don't we...?
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Johnson
2:28 Wed Dec 23
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You just said that.
You didn't say they spun it though, you said they SAID it.
Thus you LIED.
Which bit of those sentences are you struggling with and I'll maybe try it in French or something.
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AfM
2:26 Wed Dec 23
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Spinning is lying in my book, Johnson.
In fact, it's worse. It's more deceptive.
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